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The difference is that a basic income is supposed to persuade non retirement age people to continue to work, hence "basic". A state pension is supposed to be enough to enable every retired citizen to be able to live without working with a sufficient sense of dignity even without any other form of pension. It is almost always higher than the equivalent unemployment benefit. Now it could be combined (as Finland currently does) with a mandatory pension scheme system in order to provide retired people with an additional income source, but then you're getting beyond a basic income only. See - it's hard!

There might be a more utopian concept of paying everyone enough that they don't need to work at all, but that isn't what is meant by this Finish scheme and what is meant by "basic income" normally.



my dignity is OK only if I can spend at least 6 months travelling around the world, and remaining 6 spoiling myself. good luck satisfying that! (joking on my side, but this whole discussion is pointless, since everybody wants something else from system (and all want as much as they can, and slightly more) and it would produce massive resentment from those that would lose even a single cent


For most of the people, dignity is being able to sleep under a roof, being able to eat at least once a day, being able to be seen by a doctor when they are ill and being able to give an education to their children.

We should be deeply ashamed by the fact that there is people in our rich developed countries who do not have access to that simple things.


Yeah, good luck living a worry-free live on pensions these days.

In Germany outside the public sector pensions put you so far below the poverty line welfare has to jump in and bridge the gap. For anyone entering the workforce today that is.




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