I want freedom to do what i want and not sitting in front of a computer and coding for some company.
Please AI lets burn down knowledge work and labor work. Lets create so much stress to our society that we start rethinking what works mean.
Lets redefine work into discovering the world again. Let people do old handcraft jobs, let them do more sports, let them read more, let them write and make more. Let them enjoy nature.
Work has never been about "discovering the world". There have been a handful of privileged folks who had the time to "discover the world". Work has traditionally been "let's find enough food for my family". If you want to think of a future of abundance then perhaps we can discover the world.
It’s not a capitalism problem, it’s an ecosystem. Wherever living things compete for finite resources and opportunities, certain properties emerge from the system. And make no mistake we live in a crowded world full of fierce competition.
Among these properties are optimum behaviours such as hoarding the maximum you can defend (rather than the minimum you comfortably need) and using your power to forestall the growth of others. These behaviours are repeated in nature from microorganisms to apes to humans.
There is no social order which can prevent us from living in an ecosystem, and from these properties and behaviours emerging.
The US American system is more capitalistic than the german one and the scissor between poor and rich is higher.
Thats definitly an indication that this plays a role in it.
And we do not have a problem of resources today, we have so much food, that its sometimes just spoils and no one cares and sometimes it even spoils in huge warehouses due to neglect or because a person decided not to sell it under a certain price.
Capitalism also sets priorities for resources. So instead of making sure everyone is fed properly, we also spend time and energy to diverge resource types like different plants, exotic plants etc.
> The US American system is more capitalistic than the german one and the scissor between poor and rich is higher.
And yet the US is a dominant player and Germany is not.
> And we do not have a problem of resources today, we have so much food
I never said there needs to be scarcity for an ecosystem to emerge. These properties emerge wherever living things compete for finite resources. Imagine a pond where you introduce a few small catfish. At first, food is plentiful. Yet the fish will grow and reproduce until it is scare. It's the same with resources. Individuals/companies/societies will grow to consume the maximum they can sustain, because this is the optimum behaviour in an ecosystem.
The point is that organisms which avoid these behaviours tend to lose, in every sense of the word, to organisms that do. The behaviours are emergent from the constraints of the system.
> that its sometimes just spoils and no one cares
Transportation costs are a major driver of food shortage. It's not at all free to get large quantities of food from where they are produced to where they are consumed. People are generally not willing to transport food (or do much of anything else) at a loss.
This seems to be a little naive about how humans consume the benefits we create in society.
"Let people do old handcraft jobs, let them do more sports, let them read more, let them write and make more. Let them enjoy nature."
Very nice thoughts. You know we all could do this today without "burning it down"? Get in your pod, eat your slop, and watch your screen is where this is headed.
"I want freedom to do what i want and not sitting in front of a computer and coding for some company."
You get that it's you creating the misery here? Then stop? Don't do it. Go start a farm or whatever you think will solve your problems. At some point this all boils down to "chop wood and fetch water" so if the modern way of doing that is so terrible then stop. Go fetch water the old fashioned way and be free.
> Lets redefine work into discovering the world again. Let people do old handcraft jobs, let them do more sports, let them read more, let them write and make more. Let them enjoy nature.
Why leave something so important up to what AI does or doesn't do?
"I want freedom to do what i want and not sitting in front of a computer and coding for some company."
"Please AI lets burn down knowledge work and labor work"
"Let people do old handcraft jobs."
So many presuppositions about what people want to do.
As a child I spent a lot of time programming and doing "knowledge work" because it's fun - I don't enjoy "old hand-crafted jobs".
Sure, let's definitely destroy capitalism in it's current state I suppose. But I find people like you who hate knowledge-work/coding and think everyone else must feel the same and only do it for the money a bit out-of-touch.
right, these knowledge work and coding jobs are, by my lights, about the best possible job. From my perspective we've invented a machine that does the fun parts while leaving me the less fun parts (review, various hard-to-claude janitorial tasks, etc).
I might like woodworking as a hobby (for example), but I sure as heck don't want to be a carpenter or to depend on my ability to hand craft enough widgets people like to survive
Be more critical, we do our jobs because of capitalism, not because every single company needs an hr department or the next crud application or the 1000th webshop.
You have in several places repeated that "no one is working on the field to get food", but that's not actually true. While most people in modern society don't work on fields to feed themselves (and others), a small fraction actually do! They feed not only themselves, but all of us.
In this future utopia where everyone gets to be a mediocre handmade-furniture maker, who exactly will be the 1-2% needed to work the fields to feed us all?
Or the 1% of people will be allowed to live in the city centers or on the beach or we share the load across peple. Everyone has to work hard and good for 5 years.
who's choosing this lucky 1%? Who's choosing what this 5 years of "hard and good" work looks like? Is 5 years of work a person really enough? Are you aware that farming is predominantly done by machine, and that's why we're down to so few people working in it?
Sure, the idea of a life of leisure and choice sounds great, sign me up. But I think resources are not distributed evenly, the folks with the most power distribute resources have little inclination to distribute them evenly, and even if we did distribute resources as evenly as possible we would still have scarcity, as with your city and beach examples. We will still need people to deal with toilets, to deal with food and so on.
If we've invented the magical cybersyn dream, and we can have central planning done for us, so everything is efficiently allocated and automated, how can you be so sure your personal allocation will be leisure and not ditch digging or bum wiping? I will bet a jelly donut that what you have described will not come to pass in my (or your) lifetime.
The solution we've come up with is move all the unpleasant work stuff to China where people don't complain about doing it because they already have communism, and therefore everything is of course effortlessly perfect there.
What are you talking about?
I want freedom.
I want freedom to do what i want and not sitting in front of a computer and coding for some company.
Please AI lets burn down knowledge work and labor work. Lets create so much stress to our society that we start rethinking what works mean.
Lets redefine work into discovering the world again. Let people do old handcraft jobs, let them do more sports, let them read more, let them write and make more. Let them enjoy nature.